MARRIAGE...is it possible????

i wish u good luck Pete X on your quest for your right ladyboy .. and wish me luck too .. KISS !!

HALLLLOOOOOO USMale , are you out of topic honey ????? this is about same sex marriage and you are in a transexual forum site. Are you expecting the laws would be the same to a normal marriage laws ?? if you think that way , it would not be a problem for a gay/lesbian/ts comunity to get marry in every corner in the world .. Anyway , if you want to get marry , who will you married to ? Genetic woman OR Trans woman ?

So you believe that a marriage must be sanctioned by the government to be valid then?

It's not just by the government honey .. how about religion ? have you ever think about it ? some of laws were based on religions .. don't you agree with me ? And what we doing now were against to the religions above same sex marriage ..

At least the laws currently helping us to solve this matter in order to give a hope and happiness to the 3rd gender people's .. They even trying to be fair to us .. It's better than nothing , anyway ..

look , give society a room to understand more to people in 3rd gender ..

Yes in fact the most fundamental laws are based in religions.

However if you feel you need permission or approval from a 3rd party like a government or a religion then I can understand where you are coming from on that.

I guess I never felt the need or desire to have a 3rd party approve of what I do to feel justified in doing it.

In other words I decide what is right for me not the church or the state or my next door neighbor.

Of course it needs government sanction, in the US you need to take a blood test to make sure you're not marrying you cousin, or something!
Here in the UK a woman becomes a common law wife by rote, but this only confers rights for the woman, she is entitled to half of everything if they split up. This supersedes the situation prior to 1973 when a wife was chattel, the property the husband, this dates back to religious influence, it's still in the bible.

If you want recognition, and the all important tax breaks, from the government, you'll need to have the marriage properly recorded by a registrar in the UK, and I imagine a similar practice operates in most other countries.

In the case of a same sex union (Not a marriage as such, just a legal contract.), the gay partner still cannot gain the same recognition as a hetro couple, no rights to pension, estate, or anything like that in the event of death of one partner.

TS_Shiera Thanks very much for the good wishes, and I hope you meet the guy of your dreams too, but I hope you're having better luck than I am. I recently started IM'ing a ladyboy, and it wasn't long before all the alarm bells started to ring, and today she asked if I wanted cam sex, and would I help her pay her mothers hospital bills, just $25. At least I'm getting better at reading the hidden message, but I despair at ever meeting a genuine ladyboy looking for love. I'm coming to the conclusion that I'll have to travel to SE Asia and meet girls in person, but where do you meet ladyboys, other than the ones working the bars.

Pete

I thought blood tests were just to see if you were compatable to have kids, but dont quote me on that. I do know that to see if you were marrying a relative would take an extensive dna test and that is not anything that is done that I am aware of.

Pete all that can be drawn up in a contract. In the US I am not sure there are tax benefits that go along with marriage since they have been passing legislation that goes against the family unit since the late 40's.

What is a state sanctioned marriage? Its nothing more than permission.

I cannot see any benefit in taxation or otherwise that is not coverable in a contract?

In fact what is marriage but a contract between 2 people?

All getting a license does is give the government a 3rd party interest in your marriage, hence the ability to tell you what you can and cannot do in that marriage and also a hook into how you bring up your kids!

I am sorry but I fail to see any redeeming value in having a government sanctioned marriage? Which is to say benefit that cannot be covered within a "personal" marriage contract and accomplished by means of properly managing ones personal affairs. Can you?

That and what is in recognition? Does it really have any value what so ever? Again I cannot find any. The only thing I can find is state intrusion into our lives and that to me has negative value.

Yes that is the main purpose, but any congenital AND hereditary defects can be spotted, this often throws up the chance of close relatives marrying and increasing the possibility of hereditary defects being exacerbated.

A contract can indeed be drawn up, but it isn't a marriage, and such contracts can be drawn up prior to marriage, they're called pre-nuptial agreements.

Not at all, you don't need permission to get married, but the state has taken over from the church is recording marriages. In the UK marriages were recorded by the church, and if you want to trace your family before a certain date, you have to go through parish records as the state didn't record such matters.

Until the government accept a contract other than an official marriage, then tax benefits won't apply, at least here in the UK.

Precisely, but your problem seems to be in accepting the government as the authority in these matters.

Wow, you really do have an authority complex. Even without a marriage licence the government will control your life, so what's the problem?
Well here in the UK you're not considered married unless you enter that in the official register of births, deaths and marriages, which is managed by a government agency.

Goodness me, there you go again with that authority complex. The truth is that marriage is outdated, most end in divorce anyway, but it is seen as an affirmation of your devotion to your loved one, a sign of commitment. The truth is that most men aren't bothered, but a majority of women like that affirmation, and the fashion industry has played a huge part in making a wedding a must have for girls, they dream of wearing a wedding dress and being the centre of attention for a day.

Pete

Well you all in the UK created the common law and I in the USA learned how to use it.

I have no need for government to involve themselves in my personal affairs on any level. The government controls very little in my life in fact because I manage my own personal affairs and go to sometimes great lengths to retain my sovereign authority that devolved to the American people as a result of the revolutionary war.

I do not regard exercising my rightful authority over government as a problem with accepting authority but drawing a distinct line in the sand where their authority begins and ends.

In the US we have a written constitution with only 17 enumerated powers of authority that we the people allow the government to have. Policing marriage is not one of them even though many people here carry on with it as a matter of tradition. All rights are reserved by the people not the government.

I realize it may be hard for some of you brits to reconcile with the way things work over here. Especially when you run into a guy like me who wears the saying: "Dont Tread On Me" as a patriotic badge of honor and duty to fellow citizens.

From a legal sense a marriage is nothing more than a contract between 2 people originally based in ecclesiastical law and carried forward by other venues of law.

Here is the definition from the Law dictionary:



The common law was created in England and you actually have to power to retain more liberty than we do here, if only because the common law is more generally accepted in the UK and you do not have to force notice onto judges like you do here.

Every instance you mentioned of privilege issued by a government agency can be obtained through other equally equitable means.

I see no benefit or need in involving the government into my personal affairs beyond the 17 enumerated powers that we granted our public servants in the constitution.

On the contrary where you see privilege I see interference from involving them in anything. In America I am the authority that created and consented to a government of my creation. Hence they are my servants. (Of course they tend to forget that sometimes and need to be reminded in court)...........

In Britain I think you all see to roles of government a bit the other way around.

Wow .. the discussions is getting hotter..lol
anyway, hope we can here again from rickynyc if he have found the answer for his question..
RickyNYC please give us update , this is really an interesting topic..
cheers.

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