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 Post Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 3:53 am 
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To me passable is not the complete 100% beyond a question of a doubt. It is someone who at first glance/meeting gets the female honourific applied to her. If on subsequent meetings she is "exposed" as a transexual, I say "SO WHAT?". The reason I am with her is who she is, not what.

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When you free to take me for a date? hehehe.. I dont mind walking with someone who feel good bout me being a TG ;) even tho I dont shout out loud bout my status but feel good without to worry about people might know I'm a TG.. :D You Cool oz3male!!

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:oops: :) You're most welcome LS...

Been a long time since I was in Malaysia, but I still have fond memories of the three months I spent there.

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Hi M,

I understand the differences between crossdressers and transsexuals, but I was simply trying to use an example of a reaction to physical attraction being independent of my assessment of someone being the sort of person I'd want to have a relationship with.

Going back to a few transsexuals I've known...my first TS girlfriend... drop-dead gorgeous, incredibly passable, and given I was 19 and thinking like most teenage boys, didn't look past the beauty much...until she burgled my flat while I was having my appendix out. Was it easy for me to be seen with her in public...sure. did my mates have any idea she was TG? No... Did i have any idea for the first few months she was TG? No... :oops: Did I realise she was in fact using me as a life support system for my wallet...no :cry:

I also have a great friend of mine who is TG. Not very passable, and I wouldn't consider her physically attractive, but she is beautiful. Caring, really there for people in her life, has a loving nature, and I'd be happy having a relationship with her. She has a wonderful partner, and they're madly in love, and it's sweet seeing how much attention they pay to each other.

"passability", like any physical beauty, is something society at large rewards. Attractive people receive lower conviction rates and shorter prison sentences. Attractive people often receive more favourable treatment in many other areas too. Some also play on that, and use it, like my first TG gf did. A "passable" TG is simply going to find society at large is more accepting, which is sad, but true.

In your perfect world, no it wouldn't matter.

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It is not uncommon for men to express their desire for a 'passable' transsexual girlfriend. I have always read this to mean a '100% beyond a question of a doubt' transsexual. I doubt a man would ever find this for the reasons stated above -


Some of that is fear of the reaction of others. Not all men are brave. some aren't willing to confront the feelings and doubts that can bring to some men's minds. Others are worried about being seen as gay, or afraid of seeing themselves as gay. Others are concerned about explaining it to their kids. I know that's something I've had to think hard about.

As someone else posted here in another topic, as society at large becomes more accepting, then the passability factor will become less of a concern for some men.

But men being men, most will keep chasing the women/TG they find most attractive, no matter what their criteria may be.

I know I've been a bit rambling here. I've just pulled a horror shift at work. Saved a life, got assaulted four times, and I'm aching all over. I apologize if anything rubs you up the wrong way.

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oztgirl wrote:
I want to ask the guys something...

If we lived in a perfect world free of trans-phobia, would the passability of your TS girlfriend be less of an issue?

Mame


From my side no because TS or not it's all about artwork and presentation to have as overly passable TS with that something extra takes it over the top ;)


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*sigh* Ugly is ugly, no matter what's up your skirt or in your pants.


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People who call other people ugly really need to look in the mirror. True ugliness comes from within and is far more repulsive than even the most unpleasant of human forms. I know it's a cliché but beauty is in the eye of the beholder.


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oztgirl wrote:
People who call other people ugly really need to look in the mirror. True ugliness comes from within and is far more repulsive than even the most unpleasant of human forms. I know it's a cliché but beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
You're right. It is a cliché.

But you can't ignore that we live in a world that loves beauty. We turn supermodels into millionaires and hunks into movie stars. We have pageants to celebrate it. A pretty face will always turn heads. That is simply a fact of life.


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Yes it is a cliché but it is a true one. Here is another one - One man's trash is another man's treasure. And another - beauty is only a light switch away.

A pretty face may turn heads for a few minutes but is rarely enough to keep someone attention for a life. If it was then Brad Pitt and Jennifer Aniston would still be together

I find nothing more disgusting than another person making unsolicited comments on another persons attractiveness. It is one of the most arrogant traits I have witnessed in human beings. I would rather live with a mediocre looking good guy who treats me with respect than a rich good looking bastard. Looks fade a lot faster than personality. If you judge a person on their looks alone, then you deserve everything you get.


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This reminds me of that old saying, "Opinions are like assholes, everybody has one."


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