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 Post Posted: Thu May 15, 2008 11:34 pm 
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No-one who knows what is involved in being a TS sees it as an easy route. Daily discrimination, body changes that would be uncomfortable to a normal male including the atrophy (shrinking) of the testicles which can be painful and painful breasts when they are growing. Top that with isolation from old friends and family and I think it is safe to say that it is not an endeavour undertaken by a boy in need of cash.


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Shiera... if you mean that's so simple as you write... hmm, I don't agree with you. Of course, you can make easy money and maybe you can earn more than other girls in your country but if I read your profile where you be looking for the Mister right and a long-term relationship, then I ask myself which man who wants to have a serious relationship with a t-girl wants to live with an escort-girl. Please explain it to me because I see that problem a bit different.


thanks oztgirl for your comment .. only ts understand ts ..

well , Fonseca , i dont reply this as an argument between man and ts .. i was in germany last year march - august and recently in january until febuary .. i was in berlin , hamburg , hannover , frankfurt , munich and koln .. yes i was there for escort .. but at the same time , im searching for my man in my journey too.. that's why i tour and do not stick in one place .. do u want to know what i've been through ? all german guy just want me for sex .. schade fur mich !! and i barely sure that i wont be back to germany to find my mr right because i know there is none .. keine mann fur mich , aber es ist eygal .. life must be move on .. well , schatzin , if u do have a bad thoughts to ts , i do have my bad thoughts to men too and its a lot , very a lot of bad thoughts

for your more information , i wont ask money if men does not ask sex from me .. yes , i can make totally easy money as i wish , u are right , dear .. but why men does not give me their love ??? why they just want to give me money ?? is this my fault for being an escort ?? i wont let men abuse me no more ..

however , can u meet me without asking to have a sex with me ??? if u can , come and meet me here , and i prove it to u who's the honest and live up to the words !! ich warte auf dich hier ..

the bottom line is , are we ( ts which is doing escort ) does not deserve to love and be love ?? are we not a human without any feeling and emotion ?? im ready to quit this job if i found my Mr Right and he will not waste me .. I PROMISE this to my self !!!

well , Wordman .. it depends to how the person thinking and how they manage their life .. in a positive way or negative way .. he/she will determine themself .. yes , u can get anything that u want with Money but money cant entitled u for happiness and therefor , money is not everything

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SEX >> MONEY >> LOVE


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TS_Shiera wrote:
Fonseca wrote:
Shiera... if you mean that's so simple as you write... hmm, I don't agree with you. Of course, you can make easy money and maybe you can earn more than other girls in your country but if I read your profile where you be looking for the Mister right and a long-term relationship, then I ask myself which man who wants to have a serious relationship with a t-girl wants to live with an escort-girl. Please explain it to me because I see that problem a bit different.


thanks oztgirl for your comment .. only ts understand ts ..

well , Fonseca , i dont reply this as an argument between man and ts .. i was in germany last year march - august and recently in january until febuary .. i was in berlin , hamburg , hannover , frankfurt , munich and koln .. yes i was there for escort .. but at the same time , im searching for my man in my journey too.. that's why i tour and do not stick in one place .. do u want to know what i've been through ? all german guy just want me for sex .. schade fur mich !! and i barely sure that i wont be back to germany to find my mr right because i know there is none .. keine mann fur mich , aber es ist eygal .. life must be move on .. well , schatzin , if u do have a bad thoughts to ts , i do have my bad thoughts to men too and its a lot , very a lot of bad thoughts

for your more information , i wont ask money if men does not ask sex from me .. yes , i can make totally easy money as i wish , u are right , dear .. but why men does not give me their love ??? why they just want to give me money ?? is this my fault for being an escort ?? i wont let men abuse me no more ..

however , can u meet me without asking to have a sex with me ??? if u can , come and meet me here , and i prove it to u who's the honest and live up to the words !! ich warte auf dich hier ..

the bottom line is , are we ( ts which is doing escort ) does not deserve to love and be love ?? are we not a human without any feeling and emotion ?? im ready to quit this job if i found my Mr Right and he will not waste me .. I PROMISE this to my self !!!

well , Wordman .. it depends to how the person thinking and how they manage their life .. in a positive way or negative way .. he/she will determine themself .. yes , u can get anything that u want with Money but money cant entitled u for happiness and therefor , money is not everything

never ending topic again ..

SEX >> MONEY >> LOVE
Hi, Sheila.
I have to disagree with you. Your sex/money/love analogy doesn't work. Sex may beget money, but very rarely leads to a real relationship. Sex may lead to love, because in that analogy, physical attraction can lead to emotional attraction.

Sex for money means a man wants to get laid without having to make a commitment. And any tgirl who thinks turning tricks is a way to find true love is just fooling herself.


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It depends if you are mixing your working life with your professional life. If you ask every guy who wants to go to bed with you for money then you are playing russian roulette. Men express themselves through sex. It is perfectly natural for a man to want to go to bed with a woman he feels attracted too. Many men assume though that TS are easy and won't say no so they don't bother with any sweet talk like they would with a woman.

I would never (theoretically) ask a man for money who I was attracted too. I also know of TS who work the streets but not the clubs. In otherwords, the men they meet in the clubs are for fun and the streets are for work. This works well for them and they have both found love.

The thing that men need to keep in mind is that there are a lot of pigs in the world. I have experienced some of the most despicable behaviour from men and I am sure I am not the only TS who has. However, I have also experienced the opposite. I have had men respect me and treat me properly.

Instead of edifying about the right and wrong of transsexuals and prostitution you should examine how you treat a TS. A few platitudes and a free drink don't cut it.

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No one is debating the right or wrong of prostitution. However, I think Fonseca made a very good point, though, about men not being interested in a serious relationship with a call girl.

Also, if a man arranges a meeting with a tgirl through an escort service, I think the expectation is high that the tgirl is easy. However, if two people meet at a club — and there is no discussion of sex for money — then it is a level playing field.

And it's not just tgirls. If we look at the "straight world", I think you'd find many men wouldn't even consider dating a prostitute. A person that has numerous sex partners on a daily or weekly basis exponentially increases the possibility of picking up a serious STD. And, frankly, that risk is a deal breaker for many people.


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Also, if a man arranges a meeting with a tgirl through an escort service, I think the expectation is high that the tgirl is easy.

I wasn't talking about escort services. I was talking about chance encounters in nightclubs. I know some TS feel safer working from clubs. I have known men who have met people through internet dating services have a request for money at the last minute.

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No one is debating the right or wrong of prostitution. However, I think Fonseca made a very good point, though, about men not being interested in a serious relationship with a call girl.
Again, not all TS work the same. Some appear to be lifestyle prostitutes who work for the rest of their lives. Some do have boyfriends on the side. Some TS work sporadically - like when they need money in a hurry or are saving up for surgery. I know one who did that and then settled down with her boyfriend and now runs a business on the gold coast.

Wether someone is paid for their services has no bearing on how many sexual partners the person has. It has been my experience that TS are more aware of their sexual health and working practices than straight men and women. It never ceases to amaze me how young heterosexuals think their only sexual health concern is whether they get pregnant.

I would also contend that the TS is more at risk from male partners than the other way around. One of the biggest risks a person takes is when having sex with man who is naively bisexual. There are men out there who believe that having unprotected anal sex doesn't put them at risk because they don't identify as being gay. They think you have to apply that label to be at risk - it sounds rather incredible but a sad reality. And so stark a reality that many HIV/AIDS awareness groups around they world have started running 'men who have sex with men' campaigns to combat this dangerous naivety.


It's all well and good to make sweeping statements about the pro's and con's (no pun intended) of the sex industry, but until legislation is enacted to protect TS in the workplace and governments actively pursue and prosecute breaches of this legislation, then and only then can we expect TS to gain employment in more mainstream forms of employment.

What actions have you taken in the past to support this happening? Did you take GLBT rights into account the last time you voted? Have you actively encouraged your elected officials to support GLBT rights?

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ich warte auf dich hier ..


Hi Shiera... do you really want it? :shock: :D


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Again, not all TS work the same. Some appear to be lifestyle prostitutes who work for the rest of their lives.


Really? Is there much demand for middle-aged TS prostitutes?


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Why not, there are middle aged clients of prostitutes (and older). I know one well preserved TS who was working well into her 50's.


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Wordman wrote:
I've read all these responses and I thank everyone for taking the time. Since most of you have mentioned the strong pull of the money factor, let me ask you this. Are there young Asian males who make the decision to become tgirls because they see it as a way to make money, even though their sexual orientation is heterosexual?


Hi Wordman... well, if you ask me, so I would say, yes, there is a number of boys that act like tgirls only to make money. Mostly the younger boys do something and I also think that they are unsure about her sexuality. Some are homosexual, some even heterosexual. Some people name them femboys because they look girlish, quite soft and they overdo her behaviour as girl. Some of them wear a wig and a bit make-up. But I would never say that they are tgirls. However if you meet them, then they will introduce oneself as tgirls of course. They could work in the gay scene as well but I think they do that job because they know very well that many foreigner come to Thailand (or in other Asian countries) for having fun & sex with girls. With girls that have a little extra meat. And therefore they have no moral senses to sell their body and soul because they know that foreigner pay a good money for their service. That's bad but the truth, mate. And the worst thing is, many of them are still underage.

On the other hand; once I met a girl in Pattaya that told me she wants to stop with her work. She bought a piece of land for her family and wantet to live as a gay in her village. But she was no femboy, she was a real tgirl and working in the sex-business. She is very nice-looking, without breast but was smart enough to earn sufficient money for her future with her job. Whether she made it true, I don't know it. But you see, there are very different sorts of tgirls.


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